Response from a ‘Coalition Government’ member

Response from a ‘Coalition Government’ member

Dear John

Thank you for writing to me about this very important issue. We stand today at a crossroads in our shared history.

Elected with just 38% of the vote, Stephen Harper acts as if he has 100% of the power. Instead of attacking this economic crisis with a meaningful stimulus package, Harper chose total inaction and cheap political tricks. This isn’t what Canadians voted for. This is not what working families need in these tough times.

New Democrats are working with the other opposition parties to put forward an alternative government – a coalition for real change. The agreement on how the coalition government will work is fair and balanced. And the action plan to stimulate the economy is prompt, prudent, competent, and most importantly, effective.

Please join us in a rally to support democracy and the formation of a coalition government to deal with the economic crisis in this country. There has never been a moment in our history as Canadians where more has been possible. You are the majority. Be part of the change. This Saturday noon our voices will get louder. Join thousands of progressive Canadians this Saturday who say “I’m part of the 62% majority!”

Toronto RALLY FOR DEMOCRACY
Saturday December 6, 2008
Time: 12 Noon
Location: Nathan Phillips Square, Toronto

For more information about rallies across Canada please visit www.makeparliamentwork.ca.

Don’t forget to visit the following sites to let them know you support the coalition

http://www.thestar.com/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/

http://www.ctv.ca/

Please invite your friends and neighbours to be part of this historic change.

Thanks again for writing to me. We can only make change with the support of people like you.

Olivia

Office of Olivia Chow, MP Trinity Spadina chowo@parl.gc.ca www.oliviachow.ca

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My reply:

Dear Olivia,

Thank you for your reply, which is the first one I have received.

To continue my support of what you and the others are trying to accomplish on behalf of all Canadians, I have taken the liberty to post your reply on my blog with the hope more people will get involved.

http://mycnpprince.blogspot.com/2008/12/response-from-coalition-government.html

Thank you for standing up for us! I know I will sleep better once the coalition forms government, as will at least 62% of all Canadians.

Sincerely,
John

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18 Responses to Response from a ‘Coalition Government’ member

  1. This post is by HARRY VELDMAN.The argument that 62% of the voters want a coalition is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.EVER.The libs,ndp and bloq all in bed together is purely a power grab.Why not topple the PC and have another election.This is a democracy after all.I guess knowing that the PC would win a majority is enough to sleep with your rivals.The voters sent a very clear message to the libs a mere 7 weeks ago, but why let democracy rule the day when you can form a coalition.If this goes through every minority government from this time forward is screwed.I think the GG will not allow this coalition to go through, but if she does be prepared for a western Canada separist movement.And if she favours a election the PC win a majority.

  2. John Prince says:

    This is no laughing matter Sanya. This is serious business. ;-)

    There is already talk of firewalls going up around Alberta, and that this whole business is all about those ‘bastards in the east who should freeze in the dark’ getting ‘our’ oil. I’m sure revolution and anarchy are just around the corner with the thought of a coalition, ‘working on behalf of the people’ instead of big business and corporations. It can’t get much scarier than that.

  3. John Prince says:

    Hi Harry,

    libs,ndp and bloq all in bed together…

    As of today, you can add the Greens to the above list.

    The sad truth is Harper blew it because of his arrogance and contempt for parliament and the people. The conservatives are finished (or soon will be), and will not be forming another government for some time to come, because they are obviously not up to the challenge of running a country for all the people, rather than just for their Reform/Conservative buddies.

    I understand there is already talk of replacing Harper because of his incompetence, and that Prentice is breathing down his neck, as we speak.

    Sorry Harry, I know you are my neighbour and all, but the conservatives are done! What the Liberals got last time is what I predict the Conservatives will get next time, we all go to the polls again… in aprox. 2-3 years from now.

  4. What about democracy, let the people decide.Let the coalition form one big party and then have a election, but please let the people decide.

    The “coalition working on behalf of the people”.The bloqs mandate is to seperate from Canada.Is this for all the people of Canada?It can not get much scarier than that.
    Harry Veldman

  5. Harper may not be the greatest PM of all time however he was ELECTED by the people in a democracy.Why is the coalition afraid to go to the polls?

    Harry Veldman

  6. The problems I see, first of all Harper did make a bad decision. He expected the opposition to cave. The bigger concern I have is the other two parties joined the liberals for a reason. The NDP 6 seats in the Cabinet and what else, the Bloc what do they gain. I will not believe for a second that these parties did this for the good of the country. And yes added together the opposition parties may have gotten 62% of the vote. But Stephane Dion was clearly rejected by a larger number of voters than Stephen Harper.

  7. John Prince says:

    Harry,

    Going to the polls is not an option. I think everyone realizes that because of the expense and the fact we just had an election some 7 weeks ago.

    A working coalition is the next best option and believe it or not, I think it will be better by far than anything we can or could of expected from the conservatives, who really don’t care about the ‘hurt’ people are going through, as exemplified by their ‘laize-faire’ attitude about our current economic crisis.

    Just look across the line at Obama and his team who are constructively and actively working to deal with things having put aside political rivalries and ideologies for the greater good of their country. Harper could have (and should have) acted accordingly. He blew it! There is just no getting around that.

  8. John Prince says:

    Dean,

    I think you are forgetting the conservatives brought this upon themselves (and the country) with their economic update (which was anything but what was expected). To now suggest there was backroom deals, blah, blah, blah is missing the point, because it is beside the point.

    As a ‘minority government’ (and a far-right one at that, in a sea of left or middle to left leaning parties within our parliament) Harper’s first order of business should of been to unite (as Obama is doing), not alienate. He blew it! The only thing he successfully did was to ‘unite’ the left, which is proving to be his best piece of work to-date.

  9. Of course going to the polls in an option, we live in a demcoracy.Better to spend 300 million than to waste 30 Billion.We just went to the polls elected a leader and the losers are now sore.May I remind you Canada is in the best shape of all G7 countries.Canadas recession will not end until the US recession ends no matter how much money you through at it.Let DEMOCRACY rule the day, NO ONE voted for a coalition.
    Harry Veldman

  10. Interesting editorial in today’s Globe and Mail, the suggestion is made that maybe a way out of this thing is for Harper to step aside as the leader of the Conservatives.

    The old fall on the sword to appease the enemies.
    John I’m interested to read your comments on this suggestion

  11. John Prince says:

    Dean,

    That very well might be the only way out of this mess for the conservatives. What is needed is someone (anyone!) who can do what Obama is doing, which is bringing people ‘together’ not tearing them apart, especially now when we are dealing with an economy that can very well go down the toilet, if not handled properly.

    Unfortunately for the conservatives, Harper has now become a ‘lame duck’ (dead duck?), as was Dion… until recently.

    If it does come to a coup d’état within the conservative ranks, I think Prentice has a good chance (no baggage) of not only becoming the next leader for the conservatives, but with his background within the party and new found experience, I think he has all the makings to not only be a good leader, but also one that can build bridges, rather than burn them. This is what the country needs right now, more than anything, no matter the political stripe.

  12. I Tell People all the time that I believe Canada has the best Leader in the whole world in Stephen Harper.
    I don’t like everything he does, but I do feel he is an amazing leader.
    Prime Minister Harper does not let the media run the country, which is what is happening in almost every country.
    For once we have a leader that is not a lawyer but an economist, exactly what we need during this worldwide meltdown.
    Supporters of the coalition want a leader who can’t even get their supporters to give their party a measly $2.00 each in support.
    Here is a hint, if a political party needs to hand over money in suitcases to get support, or they can’t raise $2.00 from their supporters, maybe their not fit to run the country.
    really if your policies can’t attract citizens to support your platform, perhaps it’s time to come up with policies that individuals will support instead of looking to the government.
    I guess it makes sense though, Liberals believe the government is the solution.

  13. I Tell People all the time that I believe Canada has the best Leader in the whole world in Stephen Harper.
    I don’t like everything he does, but I do feel he is an amazing leader.
    Prime Minister Harper does not let the media run the country, which is what is happening in almost every country.
    For once we have a leader that is not a lawyer but an economist, exactly what we want during this worldwide financial meltdown.
    Should a political party who can’t even get their supporters to give them $2.00 each in support to run the country.
    Here is a hint, if a political party needs to hand over money in suitcases to get support, or they can’t raise $2.00 from their supporters. maybe their not fit to run the country.

  14. Hugh Danger says:

    You know the feeling that you used to get when you were getting that first car? or maybe it was a date with someone that you thought was the cat’s ass only to find out that that car turned out to be a money pit or maybe that date turned out to be a miserable you-know-what? That is what is really happening in the U.S. when it comes to Obama, and once the new car smell wears off I’m sure the American public will be wishing that they bought a better car or maybe dated the girl next door instead, (even if Obama was the best choice) just give it time.
    As for our new situation…, by getting themselves involved with the Bloc will only lead to disaster for the Liberals, the NDP and the rest of Canada.
    Once the Bloc are in a control situation, they are almost sure to be black-mailing their new “allies” and threatening to pull the pin on the new dominant number party if they don’t get what they want. Just wait, it’s only a matter of time. Remember that the Quebec has been at this little game for a while (about 200 years) and they know when to take advantage of a situation like this.
    Remembering the look of pure hatred in the eyes of the separatists only a few years back, should remind you of the reasons the Bloc party even exists.
    How could anyone, for one minute, not hold contempt for a gang of thugs that would sooner piss on you then help you up out of the mire. As for having Dion as the P.M. is purely because none of these other new “peoples champions” have the ability to gain the trust of anyone, much less the people of Canada! It’s a grift, and the Bloc is running the gambit unbeknownst to their “swift” counterparts. Believe it!

  15. John_S_Macd says:

    There are several things here that are worth noting:

    1st: Changing governments without an election is democratic in the Canadian system. We, as voters, elect our Members of Parliament. That individual is responsible to us, as members of her or his constituency. If we don’t like what our MP has done we can vote her or him out at the next election.
    But, we don’t elect governments. Governments are formed by a group within the Commons and remain government only so long as they have the support of the majority of the members of the Commons. By tradition the offer to form the government is first given to the last Prime Minister (regardless of how many seats he or she may have won). Then, if that person refuses, the Governor General turns to the individual who leads the largest single group in the house. But there is nothing natural, automatic, or god-given in that groups opportunity to run the government: as a government they are responsible to the House of Commons, and without the House’s support they cannot remain a government. There is no reason, however, to have an election every time a government falls: Only when no one else is willing or able to form a government that has some reasonable chance of support from the Commons.

    2) All the talk about “pact with the devil” is hogwash. If the Liberals and the NDP anounced they would vote against the Conservative minority then the Conservative’s only option would have been to recruit the Bloc as supporters: and they would have done so (and probably tried to all weekend). The anti-Bloc comments are rhetoric: we know from the last government that the Conservatives counted on the Bloc to support them in some matters, and wrote their legislation or offered alternatives to secure that support.

    Finally, it is worth noting that the country of Canada was founded in part by a coalition government. When the Province of Canada, led by its Conservative and Bleu Attorneys General John A. Macdonald and Georges Cartier went to Charlottetown, they went representing the “Great Coalition” Government that included George Brown, a Liberal who railed against all the things Macdonald and Cartier seemed to have stood for. No one who voted for Macdonald or Cartier in the election months (and two governments earlier) would have expected them to form a government with Brown, and vice versa. You can read a good account of this coalition by looking at the Dictionary of Canadian Biography on-line for the men named above or by read Ged Martin’s essay

  16. Hugh Danger says:

    If you will take note, John S “WHAT-EVER”, when reference was made toward the Bloc it was not tying them to “any” of the “real” parties that represent our great nation.
    Their dirty play is to simply wait for one of our other “Genius” leaders to come and beg them for their alliegence. They are willing to go along with anyone if they have a chance to gather more attention to their so-called needs. Following the guide of history books is great, in fact I do it all the time. However, when it comes to our French Canadian brothers, special rules apply that seem to be written as they go along.
    Yeah, thats right, born and bred Albertan with family that goes back to buffalo days, Quebec can go to hell!

  17. John Prince says:

    John_S_Macd

    Thank you for your timely comments which I found both scholarly and pertinent to our discussion.

    Hugh Danger

    Your ‘fixation’ and ‘hostility’ towards Quebec, which is one of two founding fathers of our country, before you and your family even saw a buffalo, leaves me aghast at how successful the neocon’s message of division is playing out in the west, with some people like yourself. It sure makes one wonder who the real ‘separatists’ are in this country.

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