What have we learned….

…. in two millennia?

So what have we learned in two millennia?

“The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest we become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.” — Cicero, 55 BC

Evidently, nothing….

Thanks to my Belle Aimee in Coleman for the above. :-)

 

The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments.

from John Prince
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54 Responses to What have we learned….

  1. Anonymous says:

    Actually, the truth lay in the fact that those of whom we put in a position to lead us are no more qualified for the job than ourselves. Simply put, why do we have our eyes closed when we choose captains with no vision to lead us? RFA

  2. John Prince says:

    As usual, RFA, you make good comments and ask Great questions.

    It seems that for some time now we have been leaderless, and those on council at the present time who do stand up and try appear to do so half-heartedly, by being good at asking questions (that you would think by this time they would already have the answers to) but stop short at committing themselves to offering a plan and/or vision. They also don’t answer questions very well either. This type of (avoidance) leadership must be avoided at all costs, because in the long run it boils down to being nothing more than ‘the same old same old’.

    What we need is ACTION! Like ancient Rome, the Pass is burning and all our leaders do nothing but stand around and… WATCH!

    If people would have listened to me years back, I could have taken this community all the way to the SUPER BOWL by now!!! :-)

  3. Anonymous says:

    What is your leadership doing about the bridgecreek fiasco and the resultant news article that came out yesterday.

  4. John Prince says:

    That’s a good question for our mayor and council. They have been pretty quite on the subject, haven’t they?

  5. Anonymous says:

    John, even though that whole Bridgecreek nightmare was not your baby.., I wish it was, that way at least we would be hearing something about it instead of the way our mayor is handling it. It’s very hard to forget his image on the publicity video that they made and how he was right ready to claim the benefits of the scenario had they panned out. Now that there is the sour stench of failure in the air, neither he, Mr. Taje or bullish Mr. Sterling (thats right Tom, we haven’t forgotten you and your aggressive stance on the subject) can be heard saying anything about the subject. I guess it’s perfectly fine to be bought out when the opportunity arises as long as you can make a quick buck doing it, hey fellas. Now that the moneys all gone, was it worth it, now that the rest of us have to pay for your greed? Print it if you want John, I’m only stating the facts to make myself feel better by venting what everyone already knows… Members of our council past and present are corrupt and should be forced out of any public observation, NOW AND IN THE FUTURE!
    RFA

  6. John Prince says:

    I hear your anger and frustration and believe answers are owed to you… and every other resident in the Pass. Unfortunately, there are people in public office who are quick to accept acolades and media coverage when things are going well, but become camera shy and difficult to button down when they don’t.

    These are not the type of people one should be supporting, is what I hear you saying.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Exactly
    RFA

  8. Anonymous says:

    Thank you thank you thank you.I have been feeling the same way for a long time.Finally someone has has actually come out and said it.
    If in fact there were “incentives” coming from the investors’ money, there is an ivestigation to be had (if it indeed that happened…it’s not for me to say). I suspect the upcoming RCMP investigation will uncover many things. Don’t expect the bridgecreek boys to stick their neck out for anyone..
    Giddy Up!

  9. Anonymous says:

    Did you catch a wiff of that? I believe that is the sweet smell of “JUSTICE” in the air, and the only way to get the ball rolling is to have public forums like your blog.
    We have been losing our rights as a free society lately and perhaps with platforms like this we can finally weed out these secretive, controlling and self serviant power mongers and use this dirty little corner of the province as an example to the rest of the country to state that this sort of behavior will not be tolerated anymore.
    It makes absolutely no differance what political stance you take, once the free money starts rolling in, corruption takes over the weak minded (I say weak, because I question whether or not some of these people realized how big that pile of cowshit was that they were stepping into).
    Laughing in your face and accepting bribes, this group of people thought they could just “slip it by you” and it has got to stop.

    Get the news out, everyone in the area must read this.

  10. Anonymous says:

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TELL US MORE ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION!!!

    There are many of us law abiding types that would love to know how our “higher caste members” manage to get away with what they do…

    How some of us are given property for basically nothing because they have earned it for doing so much for their community. Only to sell out their business at the first chance of profit, costing us our jobs.

    Aesop was a famous story teller, but nothing like the whoppers that come from some of our “Sons of the ‘Pass”.

    Justice is something a long time coming to an area that has been hidden from the real world for far too long.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Whoa, somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this Sunday. The hell of it is that it’s the side that everyone should try to get up on once in a while.
    History relies on the first story told as soon as an event occures and the masses usually pick up on that rendition.
    But don’t you believe ’em, because the first story told is always relayed by the person who needs to cover his own ass.
    Break the word down and it comes up as “his story”. ‘NUFF SAID…
    RFA

  12. Anonymous says:

    Wow just watched the bridgecreek video with the mayor in it, why would a mayor be in a developers sales video

    Jerry

  13. Anonymous says:

    You said it Jerry! Again, NUFF SAID…

  14. Anonymous says:

    Jerry, could you put a referance or a link to that video here so others can see it?
    Thanks

    RFA

  15. Anonymous says:

    Hey Cletus, ya figure this is what it’ll take fer “BOSS HOGG” to finally step down like he said he would after the Center thing?
    I know them Duke Boy’s will sure be after him and his sidekick Rosco P. Coaltaje…er…train, after this deal…

    Just a good ol’ boys…, never meanin’ no harm…

  16. Anonymous says:

    Oh, the mind numbing silence. Funny how some folks will just assume that the world is a forgetful place that lives in solitary confinement as they are allowed to run free, pilfering and looting, thinking no one is watching.

  17. Anonymous says:

    I can assure you someone is watching. They wear a uniform and sometimes ride a horse while carrying a Canadian flag.

  18. John Prince says:

    Obviously, the mayor and council need to stop procrastinating, and address this issue immediately. Make some kind of statement as to what happened, what our options are, and where we plan on going from here? Convince us that we are not rudderless, and cast adrift. Let us know you at least have a sense of direction.

    As well, our local media needs to get off their collective butts (playing it ‘safe’, like they always do when it comes to this mayor) and deal with it, as other media ‘outside’ our community have already done. Say something ‘meaningful’ not just platitudes. Hold the ‘feet to the fire’ (its called ‘accountability’) on those responsible for this fiasco, and spearhead a call to ACTION in moving this community FORWARD, in spite of all this that has and is happening to us.

  19. Anonymous says:

    I would suppose that our locally owned and operated Newspaper, the Pass Herald should attempt to turn themselves into a real publication and stop their Romper Room approach to news coverage.
    How about pulling your heads out of sand,(…believe me, I could have written that with more color) and get a reporter that confronts local issues instead of walking us down a path of sunshine and lollypops.

    Be confontational and have some balls with your writing. After all, your competition would do it but they are basically done here anyways. Where the hell is Gail anyways?

  20. Anonymous says:

    I just watched the video….looks like Big John and Little John have some “splaining”to do!!!!

  21. Anonymous says:

    Do we have any idea of the dollars involved

    Jerry

  22. Anonymous says:

    For the crowsnest pass area, probably about $60 million raised. Just wondering, how much work has been done down there with that much money? Must be alot built out because the money is aaaaall gone.

  23. Anonymous says:

    …Can I be the first to say….HOLY SHIT!!!!

    Gary…, Tom…, DOCTOR LOVE… where are you guy’s ?

  24. Anonymous says:

    Could it be that two of the three wise men that sustain our status quo got themselves inter-twined with white collar criminals?

    We may have to be waitin’ fer a while to hear anything back from them boys, nobody seems to be sayin’ nuthin here in Dogpatch…

  25. Anonymous says:

    Dogpatch!!! I love that! LOL!!!

  26. Anonymous says:

    You really have to look up the the WIKIpedia on “DogPatch” for those of you who don’t know what it is. It is from the old comic strip Lil’ Abner…

    It’s a little bit of a cruel comparison but funny as hell!

  27. Anonymous says:

    Stay tuned…

  28. Anonymous says:

    Who is Gary, Tom and DOCTOR LOVE?

  29. Anonymous says:

    Oh man, I’ll bet this is interesting to someone that is new to here. But history must be uncovered by you, because if I tell you all the ins and outs of the real CNP, you will never have that “AH HA” minute that makes it all worth while. Get out there and start investigating, you’ll find that the facts are easy to find and once you uncover them, worth the laugh…

  30. Anonymous says:

    RCMP are already doing it. I’ll wait for the news report on City TV,..that will definitely be worth the laugh.

  31. John Prince says:

    Ah, from ‘infamous’ to ‘famous’. I owe it all to the blogging world, and to people like you. :-)

  32. Anonymous says:

    Love the “Big” John “little” John reference to
    John and Gary!

  33. Anonymous says:

    River Run website is no more

    http://www.riverrun-naturally.com/

  34. Anonymous says:

    IF indeed there was funny stuff going on down there, and innocent people lost their money to some sort of alleged scheme, then ANYONE who has some knowlege of these alleged happenings should come forward before there is a knock on his or her door. This is serious folks, and the right people are on to it. Don’t kid yourselves, Its only a matter of time.

  35. Anonymous says:

    Don’t worry pal, we would like to know what the hell is going on too. Funny business going on down here would only add up to 3 people and it’s common knowledge who they are.
    I’m pretty sure “City Boy”, we are well aware of the seriousness of the matter.
    After all, you will find that 99.9% of the investors or for that matter believers in these “sham artists” were not even from “down here” as you put it. And it is us who will have to live with the abortion left over from their failures.
    Remember that this is a place that is used to existing in the “grey area” And we don’t need threats from the likes of an Anon that comes across condescending.
    Did I need to simplify that for you in any way?
    RFA

  36. Anonymous says:

    What do you think that was directed at you? or anyone else there that has nothing to do with this fiasco? No it was directed at anyone “down there” (as in southern Alberta, south is usually considered as down) that may have some involvment in this. 1,2, 3,4,5 people, whatever. Not only “down there” is being looked at. We have many many more to be investigated “up here”. Chill, I’m on your side, honestly.

  37. Anonymous says:

    Just be aware that when statements are made in a manner like the one that you wrote (“IF” and “ANYONE”), they can be taken in the wrong way very easily.
    This is a powderkeg situation that is going to affect this area for years to come, If you were from here you would realize this as issues from 30 years ago still come up in daily conversations.

    As for innocent people losing money, of course thats a shame, but their scars will only show in their pocket books, ours will be in our landscape and it will be visable to us everyday.
    RFA

  38. Anonymous says:

    What a legacy that those involved will leave for the municipality. Decades after they are gone, people will still be talking about it. I hope the money was worth it, although, considering the inevitabe consequences, I doubt it. Better hurry up and spend it. Shameful.
    Truely shameful.

  39. Anonymous says:

    It kind of sounds like these two “friends” had things going on that would seem a tad unethical to the average person on both sides of the border (Canada and US).
    This I find to be very exciting as sooner or later, mother nature will reclaim the old slack pile and life will carry on. Sure, it will be talked about for years to come as RFA mentioned, but at least Bill and Colin will be amongst their own kind (in more ways than one…).
    Thanks for the new off road track boys! Let the revenue start pouring in because those monster truck owners have been searching for some place to go for years and we’ve got one for free!
    All these people want is someplace to get their outfits dirty and have some fun. We can reclaim Knowles Flats and turn it back into nature and keep all those rigs off of our beautiful back country! Let’s make the most of this and start makin’ some real cash!!!
    Think of it! It’s right beside a hospital, hotels, a campground, stores and it’s in a valley full of monster truck lovers all while saving the forest and the land is junk land anyways with protection already put in place to protect the river!

    LUKE

  40. Anonymous says:

    In other words, lets make some friggin’ lemonade!

    LUKE

  41. Anonymous says:

    Unfortunately justice will be slow.All of the land held by bridgecreek will be tied up in the courts for years to come.As far as I know, no charges have been laid.I do not think that any assets have been frozen,just a complaint to the ASC and possibly a RCMP investagation.

  42. John Prince says:

    Yesterday, during Rum Runners Days (celebration of former local bad guys (who were really good guys at heart), my wife went into the sales office for River Run (Bridgegate) and was presented with a sales pitch from one of their agents, and Bill Bradley himself.

    Evidently, they are oblivious to what is happening and being said about them out here in the hinterland, and beyond.

    Either, a lot of balls or people have got it all wrong? I don’t know, but it sure makes you think?

  43. Anonymous says:

    John, Why do you say tey are oblivious to everything. Did they say that to your wife? Not true.
    How was the sales pitch? Impressive?
    What did Bridgecreek offer to the local celebration? Last year they had a BBQ and kids games. Anything this year?

  44. John Prince says:

    Nothing like last year in the way of BBQ and kids games. Sales office was open for business and salepeople were behaving like salepeople behave. In fact, office will now be open from Monday to Friday, according to the sales agent.

    Wife said she was told they are waiting on ‘financing’ to come through and construction will begin shortly after.

    I did hear a while back that they were going to consolidate their developments into two or three projects from the 5 or 6 they had on the go, with River Run as their primary. Who knows?

  45. Anonymous says:

    Sounds fishy, If this were me in shit, I would keep myself looking busy just to make sure the narcs could see that I was doing something instead of freaking out as to when I would be heading of to the crowbar hotel.

  46. Anonymous says:

    ahh he’ll be there someday. If I was him (or the other 3 talked about) I wouldn’t wait too long before I spilled my guts. All are Getting a little long in the tooth. 5-10 years could be the end of it if they wait. Better sooner than later guys, spend the last few on the outside.
    Take Care

  47. Anonymous says:

    from an online blog:

    womenrule
    Posts: 9
    Registered: 7/21/09
    Re: Anyone head of Bridgecreek development corp?
    Posted: Jul 20, 2009 1:47 PM in response to: aware
    Reply
    Hi,
    I live in the Palm Springs area and know the lifestyle these guys have lived in for the past couple of years! They have destroyed the Villa and adjacent house, the Bolero Estate, gutted both and stopped. They bought two million dollar homes here and have now disappeared and leaving wreckage in the millions. So sorry you got burnt! I was married to a con artist once (didn’t know he was one when we married) and can now spot them a mile away. I knew the first time I met them they were phonies and therefore did not get involved and warned others but many were taken in anyway and lost everything. I am actually amazed the law has not caught up with them. Here’s to better times ahead!

    aware
    Posts: 20
    Registered: 7/21/09
    Re: Anyone head of Bridgecreek development corp?
    Posted: Jul 20, 2009 7:09 PM in response to: womenrule
    Reply
    Thanks for the info;

    I was in Palm Springs last spring and took photo’s of the “The Villas” they paid $4 million according to Real Estate records, its not worth $ 40,000 now from what I saw.

    I am interested in the houses did they destroy them as well.

  48. Anonymous says:

    stopped by the river run ‘Discovery’ centre this afternoon just to snoop. Of course nobody was there, but there was a yellow tag on the door from the municipality saying that since payment for utilities was way overdue, services were going to be disconnected. Get in line you guys, even the municipality is getting screwed.

  49. Anonymous says:

    wow, a company who raised 50 to 60 million dollars in 3 years from innocent, law abiding people cannot pay its power bill. Just baffling.
    Lights go out in the clink at 10 and power bills covered by the tax payers in your future home..just to let you know guys. enjoy.

  50. Anonymous says:

    Wonder if they paid their property taxes? Still nothing coming from the councillors??? Not even Dean, who has been unusually quiet. zzzzzzz

  51. Anonymous says:

    $230.08 is what they owe the Crowsnest Pass for utility services on their Discovery Center in Blairmore.

    River Run is done! Thanks for all the weeds and coal dust.

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